NFL week one

[NorseForce28]

Much to talk about this week, and still with 2 games left. The Vikes travel to Lambeau tonight, and still Denver and Oakland have to play. How about your Panthers, Savage? Scoring the game-winning TD with no seconds left. Also, a huge upset in Indy, with the Bears winning. An angry Colts team will travel to Minnesota next week.

As much as I like the Vikings, I have a feeling our offense will be the deciding factor, and the Defense will take advantage of Tarvaris Jackson's inexperience and force a few turnovers. They will stack 8 in the box to limit AP and force TJack to pass. Hell, I would do that too, seeing as TJack is still not so good, but getting better.

The Vikes D will also work out the Packers O, and for the first few series, will make Rodgers scared, but will eventually adapt throughout the night.

I will say... Pack 20, Vikes 10.

Alot of injuries this week. Brodie Croyle, Vince Young, Marion Barber, and the huge one, Tom Brady out for the year.

How do you feel about that, Envy?

[OcR ROCKETR]

That's rough for Tom, hate to see him go down like that. Two friends of mine had him as their starting QB on their fantasy football teams as well. :(

As for Indy, they looked rusty...really rusty...Harrison and his uncharacteristic second straight game with a fumble and Peyton's timing was off. Although, he hasn't played any this year so the timing will take a game or two to get it back. I'm still hoping they can pull out a solid season.

[Hurrikanye]

barber will be back for next weeks mnf game. how about them falcons??! :P

[NorseForce28]

barber will be back for next weeks mnf game. how about them falcons??! :P

Good to know, and how about them Falcons? I think it's funny that everyone would say that Detriot would be a top contender in the NFC North, granted that it was only one game, but still, against the Falcons???

[Dalai Funk]

That's rough for Tom, hate to see him go down like that. Two friends of mine had him as their starting QB on their fantasy football teams as well. :(

As for Indy, they looked rusty...really rusty...Harrison and his uncharacteristic second straight game with a fumble and Peyton's timing was off. Although, he hasn't played any this year so the timing will take a game or two to get it back. I'm still hoping they can pull out a solid season.

make that 3 friends their rocketr, me too!
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by the way, if the raiders win tonight baby, first place in the AFC West! Can't say that very often...

[OcR Rhino]

DA BEARS!!!!!!!!

[OcR cha0s]

Ah... the Colts game was hard to watch for me. I hope I'll be able to get tickets pretty soon so that I can see the new Lucas Oil Stadium, but I don't know if I want to go see my team if they ever play like that again.

But Tom Brady? AHAHAHAHAHA

[OcR Skier]

by the way, if the raiders win tonight baby, first place in the AFC West! Can't say that very often...

Yeah, like at any point in the last ten years or so :P

That Chargers loss hurt deep. They looked like shit in the first 3 quarters, come back with 2 TDs, then let that dickhole Delhomme drive on them like they're nobodies, he doesn't even USE the last timeout, and then they score with no time left? That was so shitty to watch. Antonio Gates even dropped a football. He hadn't had a fumble in like almost 400 touches, and HE'S the one that drops that HUGE fumble? It's just part of being a Chargers fan, always watching your team lose games by a few points.

I scored like HALF the points in both of my fantasy leagues that I was projected LOL! I owe Kris a bottle of wine too after that loss. Can't wait for week two to put this shit in the dust!!

[OcR MYK]

I envy you folks with teams that can at least complete. I'm stuck with the Rams. They don't even care anymore, they just play for the money.

The top 3 questions for the NFL season so for for me are:

1. Will Brett Favre lead the Jets to true success this season?
2. Are the Patriots in deep trouble?
3. Have the Giants really gained enough confidence to be one of the elite teams in the NFL?

[OcR Bobcat]

1. Depends on what you call true success. Playoff berth maybe.
2. Yes. No depth at QB what so ever.
3. No. I just don't believe it.

[OcR Defkism]

3. Yes! go big blue!

When will the knicks bounce back?

[OcR Envy]

I wasn't really into football as much this year if you couldn't tell. Most people here in MA are over last year. I'm not. We reached the pinnacle of what I will ever see the patriots do. Championships are great but we had the chance to be the best team in football ever and we blew it. I don't think we will ever get that chance again.

That being said I still think the pats have great chance of making the playoffs for many years to come. Brady being out for the season is terrible, he's probably one of the top 10 players ever of course it sucks. Regardless pats make the playoffs, probably a 10-12 win season.

[OcR ROCKETR]

There are rumors going around that Daunte Culpepper is coming out of retirement to re-unite with Randy Moss. :O

[OcR Death]

I hate Daunte Culpepper and his stupid punching bag dance he does when he scores.

[OcR Savage]

That Chargers loss hurt deep. They looked like shit in the first 3 quarters, come back with 2 TDs, then let that dickhole Delhomme drive on them like they're nobodies, he doesn't even USE the last timeout, and then they score with no time left? That was so shitty to watch. Antonio Gates even dropped a football. He hadn't had a fumble in like almost 400 touches, and HE'S the one that drops that HUGE fumble? It's just part of being a Chargers fan, always watching your team lose games by a few points.


Hey...watch it now Skier.;) Everybody wants to hate on my QB like he's trash. He's not a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning but he's above average. He can make plays and he has been in a Super Bowl before so he can handle himself under pressure like this game (4 and 1 with :02 to go and down by 5). I know how it feels to see your team lose at the last second after having a decent comeback.

It does hurt but you really can't say it hurts deep until your team goes (1-15) or your team loses the Super Bowl by a field goal because your kicker kicks the ball out of bounds when you know they would have won if the game would have went into OT (Almost everyone (not friends but people that analyze the NFL) said if the game went into OT the Panthers would have won just because of the many comebacks they had that year which most ended in OT). I watched every single game that year we had 1 win and 15 losses. Now that's deep hurt when your team breaks the record for most losses and basicly the entire NFL thinks you're trash.:(

Just lay off the hate on my QB and Panthers.;) It was a good game though man and I have total respect for your Chargers for giving us an intense game.


Yeah, Pred...I was so excited when I saw Rosario catch that ball in the Endzone. I was just totally stunned. I thought Delhomme was going to get sacked when he pumped but he didn't. I didn't know the Bears beat the Colts until now so I'm a little worried since we have them this upcoming week. It would be great for Moose to beat his old team and not to mention go 2-0 without Smitty. I'm just pumped for this season. Best Panther squad I've seen ever. Bad thing is I can't watch most of the games since I work Sunday Nights and I need my sleep.:(

SavageSix

[OcR Skier]

Actually Savage, the Chargers went 1-15 in 2000, so I have had to see that. And while we haven't lost the Superbowl by a fieldgoal, it's cause we never make it there cause we choke in the post season.

[OcR Death]

Titans asked for police help to find QB Young (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-titans-young&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[OcR ROCKETR]

Crazy...

[Dalai Funk]

There are rumors going around that Daunte Culpepper is coming out of retirement to re-unite with Randy Moss. :O

I don't think that was a rumor, it was just espn analysts predicting that, unless you have a link rocket

[OcR ROCKETR]

I dunno, a buddy of mine said he read it somewhere. :|

[OcR Bobcat]

Envy you are crazy, top 10 player of all time?!?! No way.

[OcR Envy]

Envy you are crazy, top 10 player of all time?!?! No way.


Pft don't even go there. I would even go as far as saying Top 5 but I figured I'd get people pissed at me.

Think about how many records he holds pimp. He's easily Top 10.

[OcR Bobcat]

Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Elway, Bob Griese, Montana, Broadway Joe, Unitas, Manning, Favre, Roger Staubach. There are 10 qb's I'd list above him. Again, you are crazy!

[NorseForce28]

Ahh, the Danute-Randy days. I miss those days when they were bleeding purple.

Minnesota, I figured they would lose. TJack still has some improving to do, but throwing an INT while making a possible winning drive doesn't help. But, I pin this loss on our D and ST. Who punts a line drive punt to anyone? Kluwe's punt, terrible. Defense? Jared Allen wasn't anywhere. Maybe he had an off game, I don't know. But trading all of the picks and using alot of money on him, he better show up and play.

Best person: AP, All Day son.

Culpepper held Vikes records because he was throwing to Randy. Not hard for Brady to. Cassel should do alright throwing to Randy, he is the one that creates big plays.

OHH RANDY, COME BACK TO PURPLE AND GOLD.

[OcR just iLL]

Exactly Brady is a good QB, but seriously the WR are why he does what he does...and Pimp, you a Steelers fan?

[NorseForce28]

Exactly Brady is a good QB, but seriously the WR are why he does what he does...and Pimp, you a Steelers fan?

He's Bengals, iLL.

[OcR Bobcat]

He knows that, I'm pretty sure he's just being an asshat. I just give credit where credit is due. I hate the steelers and Terry Bradshaw is extremely annoying but he was a great qb and I will give him props for that.

[OcR just iLL]

He knows that, I'm pretty sure he's just being an asshat. I just give credit where credit is due. I hate the steelers and Terry Bradshaw is extremely annoying but he was a great qb and I will give him props for that.

:wubclub:

[Ozzie677]

a couple things...1. If Brady comes back and continues to win, he will be ONE OF THE BEST QB'S EVER..and this is coming from a 49ers fan, who already had 2 of the best QB'S ever..2nd, I had him starting on one of my fantasy teams also..not cool..and last, Daunte should come out of retirement even though hes not, because if he did they would win the championship

[OcR Rhino]

Terry Bradshaw, Bart Starr, Elway, Bob Griese, Montana, Broadway Joe, Unitas, Manning, Favre, Roger Staubach. There are 10 qb's I'd list above him. Again, you are crazy!

I would agree with Pimp on this one but you forgot probably Dan Marino who in my mind is one of the best if not the best. If Brady can come back to his form again he has plenty of time to add his name to this list and I think he will but not yet.

[OcR Envy]

Ya'll are crazy. I understand your desire to hate on the best but lets break down the stats.

Titles:

Brady has been playing since 2001. During that time he's led the patriots to the playoffs every year except 2002 only because the Jets won the tie breaker game. He's won three super bowl titles and 4 afc championship titles.

Bart Starr: Before the superbowl erra but technically only has 2 superbowl wins.
Elway: 1 superbowl win.
Bradshaw: 4 superbowl wins.
Bob Griese: 2 superbowl wins.
Montana: 4 superbowl wins.
Broadway Joe: 1 superbowl win.
Farve: 1 superbowl win.
Unitas: 1 superbowl win.
Roger Staubach: 2 superbowl wins.
Manning: 1 superbowl win.

So already we can say that only two of your "examples" stand up to brady in regards to being able to win the big games and lets face it, stats are great but give me a second string no name quaterback that will come in mid season and lead his team to a superbowl win three times in the next 5 years over anyone.

But lets not forget he holds the record for most TD passes thrown, has lead his team to a perfect regular season(record), lead his team to a 22 regular season win streak(ongoing record) and has been undefeated at home for THREE YEARS.(on going record) So yes, Tom brady is one of the top 10 players of all time.

[OcR Rhino]

Brady's backup is going to steal his job like Brady did to Bledsoe. He might as well retire now because with the weapons and line Brady has had his whole career I could take the Patriots to the playoffs.

[OcR Savage]

Actually Savage, the Chargers went 1-15 in 2000, so I have had to see that. And while we haven't lost the Superbowl by a fieldgoal, it's cause we never make it there cause we choke in the post season.


Ok, I never did remember the Chargers going 1-15 so sorry for letting my mouth run to quickly but still their is no need to call my QB what you called him. That's just bad sportsmanship Skier. Anyway, the game is over so their is no since in us fighting over the past. We cool Skier?

P.S. Envy, Elway actually won 2 Super Bowls to my knowledge. It was a back to back Super Bowl win when they had Terrell Davis (30) as their running back. I think it was the '98 and '99 seasons that they won the Super Bowls. Also, when you say Top 10 All-Time Players do you mean out of all sports or just in Football? Also do you mean at just the QB position or all postions in football?

SavageSix

[OcR Skier]

course we're cool savage. Friendly bickering back and forth about whose team sucks more doesn't warrant anger, lol. I still don't like Delhomme though...

[OcR Envy]

Football, and for the sake of appeasing pimp quaterbacks.

And Rhino Matt Castle is not going to be the next Tom Brady :P

[Hurrikanye]

on other news... the redsox are about to take the lead back from the rays envy! :P

[OcR Envy]

on other news... the redsox are about to take the lead back from the rays envy! :P

Oh trust me I know. :err:

[OcR Bobcat]

I did forget about Marino...thanks Rhino. But I guess he isn't an elite qb because he didn't win a superbowl....

[Ozzie677]

Matt Cassle taking Brady's job? Officially the boldest statement I've ever heard haha..

[OcR ROCKETR]

on other news... the redsox are about to take the lead back from the rays envy! :P

Well the way Papelbon pitched last night they won't. :P The Rays are leaving Boston with the division lead still no matter what. Their win last night guaranteed that. We'll just see how they hold up with all of these road games they have ahead.

[NorseForce28]

Baseball blows. This is a NFL thread. Keep it that way.

[OcR Death]

Young Wants Out (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-titans-young&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[OcR MYK]

Why isn't Troy Aikman in the conversation? (And how did this turn into a top ten quarterback discussion, I thought it was about Week 1 in the NFL. :/)

[OcR cha0s]

But lets not forget he holds the record for most TD passes thrown, has lead his team to a perfect regular season(record), lead his team to a 22 regular season win streak(ongoing record) and has been undefeated at home for THREE YEARS.(on going record) So yes, Tom brady is one of the top 10 players of all time.

Three out of those four records are team records. The Patriots are an amazing team. Tom Brady isn't solely responsible for any of that. He has an amazing team around him.

[OcR Bobcat]

Yeah I heard that the Titans had to get the police involved to try and find Young. Now that's funny. Bengals turn the season around this week against the Titans, gain momentum and dethrown the Steelers.

[OcR Savage]

As much as I hate Tom Brady and especially the Pats, I'd say Brady is probably in the Top 10 (Football and QB Position ONLY). Let's face it guys, he was a 6th or 7th round pick (not meant to be much) and then takes over a team with a respected QB at the time (not anymore. lol). Then wins 3 Super Bowls in 4 years and basicly carries on the torch from Bledsoe and makes it burn brighter.

Yes, Brady does have a spectacular team around him but which one of those QB's that Pimp named didn't? There is no such thing as a "One-Man Team". You see so many QB's in the league that have so much potential but they can't do it themselves and that's why there are 11 men on the field instead of 1. I've never seen a QB win a Super Bowl by himself. You know there is a group of people called the "Defense". I don't ever remember Favre ever stopping the other team on a 4th and 1 to take home the Lombardi Trophy.

I mean Brady has gotten a lot under his belt in the short amount of time he's done it in. However, I can see why you guys may think that the others are better then Brady. Yes, the three Super Bowls that the Pats won where all from game winning Field Goals and not Touchdowns like the many other QBs but you have to think, who lead them to the Super Bowl. Who threw those previous TDs before the game-winning kick? All in all I think he is in the top 10 (football and QB postion ONLY).

One last thing to leave you guys with. The majority of those QBs on the list you guys have rarely or never seen play so you've never seen the bad days or plays they had whereas Brady you've seen play his entire NFL career. When NFL programs show plays with those QBs it's always the good stuff that you see which in the end you perceive that QB as being the best since they have little to no mistakes. Just a thought.

P.S. I still hate the Pats and Brady so don't think that since I agreed with you Envy that I like them.;) I still hate them with a passion and have no respect for them until they can play fairly and not be so high and mighty.



Panthers in '08 baby!!!!


SavageSix