Regarding button glitches and grenade uses in MLG

[GodofDeathKB]

I suddenly felt compelled to discuss a few things with you.


In my expirence as an MLG player, both with pros, semi pros, amateurs and people who are just playing for fun button glitches are an integral part of the game dynamics. They can change the course of a game in less than a second and they give you completely new defensive and offensive options.

Button glitches, however, tend to be overused by the underexpirenced player so im going to talk about what ive seen and what should actually be done. First things forst though, because you can BxR, BxB and RRXyyRRX on command DOES NOT make you a good or even smart MLG player. Button glitches should be filed away as a secondary option. I have seen literally thousands of situations that someone would miss a doubleshot or a BxR and die when all they really had to do was just 4 shot someone for the kill. Have any of you ever played sports and heard your coach say "stick to the basics"?

BxR should be used as a last resort "get the fuck off me" strategy. If someone walks around the corner on you in close range and youre down a shot or two already or they may have a shotgun or host advantage, its good to use BxR because under normal circumstances youd die if you used conventional means to fight. It should not be used to chase some around the map until youre close enough to lunge and get that uber cool BxR for your Montage. There is no place in team MLG for egos, flashiness or attitude.

RRx and RRXyyRRX can be used under a large variety of situations. The most notorious situation that it should be used in is if you are in a mid range BR battle and you are already down a shot either from the person youre fighting or from someone else shooting you. At that point, doubles and quads come in very handy because you need to get that kill ASAP and move on before his buddies show up. You can also use doubles and quads when someone is running away from you, especially the flag/ball/bomb carrier. In this situation if someone is carrying an ofjective away from you and there is the potential for them to plant or capture then you can put those shots in them incredibly fast and even if you dont get the kill, you have a much higher probobability of your team being able to finish it for you. They can also provide SIGNIFICANT cover fire when youve been in a battle with someone, especially at longer distances and they take cover behind a small object. When this happens and the timing is right you can saturate the wall with bullets and youll have time to talk to your team and keep their heads down until you can recover your shileds. These glitches should not be used just because you can do it or because you want to get a "cool" kill. Again, the expirenced MLG player knows that when the game starts there is no place for a "me" attitude.

BxB is probobally my favorite of all of the button glitches because even if you miss it you can still keep functioning and there is little to no risk of dying because you missed the glitch. BxB is used mostly by slayers and support slayers who rarely ever have a full BR. There are still some drawbacks because its next to impossible unless you get licky to BxB a sword or shotgun guy before they can kill you. BxR is far more effective in that case. BxB is best used in very close range melee battles.
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Now I want to talk about Nades.

Nades should be used for 3 reasons:

1. You SHOULD use grenades to saturate an area before you go into an unknown or possibly hostile situation. Bouncing them off of walls and into the unknown areas can possibly damage enemies or even kill them without you having to confront them directly. Be careful though, when you throw grenades like this, you are sending up a big flare as to where you are and what your intentions most likely are.

2. You SHOULD use grenades to trap people. A prime example of an offensive trap is if a member of the other team is in your bubble on Midship and youre trying to flush him out. You can throw a nade into one entrance of the bubble deep enough to force him out where you can shoot him. A defensive trap is when you may be running from someone or you cant run away and you know youre being pursued around a corner. You can plant a nade in the corner and jump back and shoot keeping them off balance.

3. You CAN use grenades as a last resort if youre about to die. This is only a last resort since youll most likely miss it. Sometimes youll end up with the kill if youre lucky though.

Grenades should NOT be used because you just wanna see if you can stick that guy across the map or because you wanna look cool (read what I said about teamwork). Use them in the instances I said above or to drop intop a place if youre outnumbered and need to get the kills.

I hope this is informative to some of you who have questions about these subjects.

Thanks for reading,
Kev

[OcR Envy]

Button glitches suck. I hate them, all of them. They are cheap and the only reason I use them is because if I don't other people will. Oh wellz Yay for H3 and no button glitches(hopefully)!

Gernades are my friend :P

[OcR Ronin]

I hate button glitches too. I almost NEVER get them right and I hate the fact that there are people out there who can do it well enough to rely on it. I miss the days when nobody knew about these glitches and BR battles were decided by the person skill level and not the ridiculous amount of bullets they can put in the air. The first time I got BxR'd, I thought the other person was cheating. I look forward to a game were there are no ways to cheat. Probably never going to happen.

[GodofDeathKB]

There will always be button glitches in halo, there isnt a way to get around that no matter what they do.


Button glitches adda whole new dimension to the game. No longer can you simply rely on out meleeing someone because they have less shields than you. Now you can BxR someone if you come face to face and you know they would win in a BR battle or a melee battle. I wouldnt say that button glitches have anything to do with skill or the lack thereof.

*This was meant as an informative post to all of you who are looking to constantly improve, please dont start flaming or debating*

[OcR GamePlayer]

Heh i hate button glitches with a passion. Its cheap. If the game wanted you to shoot like that, or kill someone in one shot they would have implemented it into the game. Its just a cheap way for sucky people to win. Wither or not you are going against host shotty or not, you using button glitches is no better than a modder. You are altering the original state of the game to your advantage.

[OcR CixelsyD]

ahh.

I love button glitches as a person who fight close-quarters most of the time. Honestly, I don't have a consistent BR. Sometimes I'll just stop on the third shot or miss.

Using Boxer and using LxR and LxL religiously can easily let me go positive in any gametype.

RRx is a waste of time, I only do it off an LxR (LxRRx) for the reload. So many times I've seen people try to double-shoot me, miss, and then I just crap on 'em. :D

I can't wait until H3 when button-glitches are gone, regardless of whether I'll suck or not.

[i AwoN i]

It's easy to hit people with a double shot I barely miss them or if I do I would have missed the regular shot anyway so it doesn't matter.

I think RRX is the only button glitch that deserves credit. It's hard enough to 4shot someone like socrates with a good strafe so if you can manage to doubleshot him good for you. The few times I've been quad shotted the guy that did it gets respect the next time I 1v1 him.

Actually I've been playing southpaw for about a year and a half now solely because I thought doubleshot was so cool. If anything for H3 when I went back to default I felt I couldn't strafe jump aim reload etc. effectively just because of the lack of AA and new control set up, I felt much more comfortable and accurate going lefty in H3 anyway.

[OcR GamePlayer]

It's easy to hit people with a double shot I barely miss them or if I do I would have missed the regular shot anyway so it doesn't matter.

I think RRX is the only button glitch that deserves credit. It's hard enough to 4shot someone like socrates with a good strafe so if you can manage to doubleshot him good for you. The few times I've been quad shotted the guy that did it gets respect the next time I 1v1 him.

Actually I've been playing southpaw for about a year and a half now solely because I thought doubleshot was so cool. If anything for H3 when I went back to default I felt I couldn't strafe jump aim reload etc. effectively just because of the lack of AA and new control set up, I felt much more comfortable and accurate going lefty in H3 anyway.



Honestly none of the glitches deserve credit. You are altering the game. You are giving your self an unfair advantage over people who dont know how to do it. Thats just my input.

[Letthe]

I really don't care we have all used them and probably still do because it comes in handy at any time. It really isn't an unfair advantage because it's open to anyone it's like saying your enemy is good with a normal BR, but you suck with it so you call it unfair. Bridging and standbying is unfair.

[OcR GamePlayer]

I really don't care we have all used them and probably still do because it comes in handy at any time. It really isn't an unfair advantage because it's open to anyone it's like saying your enemy is good with a normal BR, but you suck with it so you call it unfair. Bridging and standbying is unfair.


Good point but, it is an unfair advantage because using a BR and using button glitches is something totally different. Using a BR is something built into the game. Its something you hae to practice on. I know using button glitches takes practice but like i stated before if they wanted you to do things like that they would have coded it into the game insted of people finding a way to do it. What if noone used it and then all of a sudden someone found it and did it to you? Wouldnt that be a unfar advantage?

[GodofDeathKB]

Im so sick of you people doing this crap. Button glitches are allowed in MLG and in online customs. DEAL WITH IT. Now I did read a post in there that said something about the only reason people use glitches is because they suck.


I hate to tell you but im the furthest thing from sucking that youll ever find kid. I rarely ever button glitch because I usually dont need to, however, I fully support them and I will use them if I have to. If you cant hang with the big dogs get off the porch.

This post was made to help those who actually WANT to get better at MLG.

[OcR GamePlayer]

Im so sick of you people doing this crap. Button glitches are allowed in MLG and in online customs. DEAL WITH IT. Now I did read a post in there that said something about the only reason people use glitches is because they suck.


I hate to tell you but im the furthest thing from sucking that youll ever find kid. I rarely ever button glitch because I usually dont need to, however, I fully support them and I will use them if I have to. If you cant hang with the big dogs get off the porch.

This post was made to help those who actually WANT to get better at MLG.


If your so sick of people talking about this and some people dont like them, then dont post in here and keep it to your self. Dude calm down. Noone here is flaming anyone. This is our opinion. If you dont like them, dont read them. If i feel that way about them, thats me. Dont sit here and flame people because they dont like button glitches. And we dont have to deal with anything. If i dont want people in MY CUSTOM games glitching, then ill say dont glitch. If you accept it and you allow it thats you. And if i cant hang with the big dogs get off the porch? I can hang just fine WITHOUT them. Some people **** people with out using them. Not everyone likes glitchers. Im one who doesnt. So get off your high horse and calm down.

[GodofDeathKB]

its typical, thats all im gonna say.....

[TVTiZtiK]

In my opinion, halo is a better game with button glitches. No longer do you have sit and get owned by a shotgun at point blank range... now you have a chance to defend yourself.

Button Glitches add so many new aspects, dimensions, and scenarios to the game. Picture this:Scenario 1 (No Glitches) Two guys are at BR1. Player 1 gets the 1st beatdown on Player 2. Player 2 now has to pray he gets lucky and can get two beatdowns on Player 1 before Player 1 can get his second beatdown off. 90% of the time Player 1 is going to win that battle

Scenario 2 (With Glitches): Same thing. Player one gets the first beatdown of Player 2. Instead of Player 1 winning right there he nows has to consider that Player 2 might BxR him or jump and BxB him. Player 1 has to try to position himself in a position were he has a lesser chance of getting counterattacked. From Player 2s POV: He has just been beatdown once and knows the second beatdown is coming. He now can try to pull off a BxR, jump away and try to RRXYYRRX him, dodge a beatdown and BxB Player 1 while in the air.
Using button glitches in that scenario and many more gives a player a chance to comeback... Thus leveling the playing field. Player 1 is no longer going to win 90% of the time. Its now more 50/50ish.

Also, that added several more possibility's to the outcome of that fight. Thus not making the game boring and not having the same outcome of nearly every fight.



In my opinion, Button Glitches add a certain level of intensity and edge to the game. When they are used with proper balance with the rest of the game... that is by my definition... a very fare, intense, competitive game.


Thats my rant for today...:neutral:

[TN GUNRUNNER]

therea lready is boutton glitches in h3 like double shot and bxb

[i AwoN i]

To me it's just as built into the game as the weapons and maps. Doesn't matter if it was supposed to be there or not because right now it is. While bungie can say it wasn't supposed to be there bla bla I haven't heard of anyone getting banned for it. Of course in a situation like that people will use them to their advantage, so long as there are no reprecussions.

All you need to do button glitches is everything you need to play on live so yes ANYONE can learn to do them. I don't know about bridging or standbying but I think that involves firewall and some sort of knowledge with computers to be able to do so for some (like me, completely foreign to computers) that is nearly impossible as opposed to bushing a few buttons in sequence on my controller.

It's in the game. If the makers of the game say it wasn't supposed to be there and try to count on the mature and knowledgable h2 community to play on live with some sort of honor code then of course glitches will be used by players that want an advantage. Half the people that try to bxr or rrx mess up and just look stupid anyway.

[TN GUNRUNNER]

like me

i always miss my hits since H3 beta

[TheTrojanBunny]

Well here is my opinion on the things. If you cannot BxR, double shoot, BxB, etc. etc., then use something that can counterbalance that. Lets say you have a nasty doubleshot, but you can't BxR or BxB to save your life. Just be the guy who has the sword or shotgun, that way, even if they try to BxR or BxB, you have a much better chance than trying to BxR and messing up the timing. Sick, they are alot harder to do than you think, particuarly the doubleshot. I do it occasionally, but I still haven't gotten the timing down right, so I don't really do it unless I do it on an impulse. But like Kevin said, don't treat button glitches as a 1st resort, use them as a "Get off my case!" sort of deal. People tend to rely on them, when they miss and could just of easily normally BRed someone. Also Sick, most pros, if you watch VoD or live streams, don't use the glitches constantly, they use them when they need them, or if it will make them kill an opponent faster or if they need the edge.

I am not trying to flame you, that is never my intent when I give my opinion on things, and I respect yours, there are people who don't do glitches for various reasons. If you don't want to do them, that's cool, and I won't get mad at you for not using them. Speaking for myself though, if a shotgun gets on my case, you would have to be brain dead to think I wouldn't BxR and BxB him untill one of us or the other was dead.

[OcR Dragon]

Im so sick of you people doing this crap. Button glitches are allowed in MLG and in online customs. DEAL WITH IT. Now I did read a post in there that said something about the only reason people use glitches is because they suck.


I hate to tell you but im the furthest thing from sucking that youll ever find kid. I rarely ever button glitch because I usually dont need to, however, I fully support them and I will use them if I have to. If you cant hang with the big dogs get off the porch.

This post was made to help those who actually WANT to get better at MLG.

Lmao don't make a thread talking about button glitches if you don't want to hear about others opinions..... And GL with finding how to double shot in H3, Bungie has done everything they can to MAKE sure they aren't gonna happen this time around. Once Halo 3 comes out there is no point for button glitches so why train so hard right now to learn them? Also Match Making on XBL is NOT MLG, so of course people are going to get annoyed when they want to play against legit players who don't out BR you only because they double shotted you. My opinion on it is I hate the people who go into MM and use button glitches on people who don't then say they "****" at Halo. It's annoying, and going into MM and using button glitches on people who don't, wont make you better at MLG. Why? Because MLG isn't about button glitches, its about so much more than that, button glitches are so small at being good at MLG. The average player can pull off a double shot, and your not a "big boy" because you can hit 3 buttons that gives you an advantage. It's very annoying to constantly see people say "Buttong glitches will make you better at MLG!" It shows the difference between actual pros and people just trying to win a few games at an event. Your concentrating on the wrong thing about MLG and your making MLG look bad, like its just a bunch of kids who just do button glitches.

So stop saying button glitches will make you better at MLG, because that is complete BS.

[Letthe]

Im so sick of you people doing this crap. Button glitches are allowed in MLG and in online customs. DEAL WITH IT. Now I did read a post in there that said something about the only reason people use glitches is because they suck.


I hate to tell you but im the furthest thing from sucking that youll ever find kid. I rarely ever button glitch because I usually dont need to, however, I fully support them and I will use them if I have to. If you cant hang with the big dogs get off the porch.

This post was made to help those who actually WANT to get better at MLG.

You shouldn't have made a thread that will piss you off and you said you would like to discuss this with us. Plus you probably knew that there will be disagreements..... I think this should be closed.

[TBaLL]

tball if you continue to be a jackass i will ban your ass without a second thought.

[TVTiZtiK]

Lmao don't make a thread talking about button glitches if you don't want to hear about others opinions..... And GL with finding how to double shot in H3, Bungie has done everything they can to MAKE sure they aren't gonna happen this time around. Once Halo 3 comes out there is no point for button glitches so why train so hard right now to learn them? Also Match Making on XBL is NOT MLG, so of course people are going to get annoyed when they want to play against legit players who don't out BR you only because they double shotted you. My opinion on it is I hate the people who go into MM and use button glitches on people who don't then say they "****" at Halo. It's annoying, and going into MM and using button glitches on people who don't, wont make you better at MLG. Why? Because MLG isn't about button glitches, its about so much more than that, button glitches are so small at being good at MLG. The average player can pull off a double shot, and your not a "big boy" because you can hit 3 buttons that gives you an advantage. It's very annoying to constantly see people say "Buttong glitches will make you better at MLG!" It shows the difference between actual pros and people just trying to win a few games at an event. Your concentrating on the wrong thing about MLG and your making MLG look bad, like its just a bunch of kids who just do button glitches.

So stop saying button glitches will make you better at MLG, because that is complete BS.


You obviously missed the point of that post.

[TheTrojanBunny]

Hey guys, slow down. TBall, while Sick really (in my opinion) didn't make a good decision about posting his thoughts in the manner he did, you really aren't in a position to call him out on that. Sorry, not trying to be rude or anything, but these aren't the CoW forums.

[OcR Dragon]

ASickGamePlayer- Kevin did not make this post so you could bitch about how ur a retarted monkey and you cant press three buttons. It was made to improve some peoples overall MLG game. You will NEVER be good at MLG if youre too retarted or uncoordinated to press three buttons in order. Oh and its not as bad as a modder they CHANGE the game button glitches dont cause anyone can do them, stop being bad.

Haha, wow so I'm "Good" at MLG because I can do an easy button glitch? Woot thats easy. Lol I really love how you guys think that you HAVE to do button glitches to be good at MLG, thats scary lol.

My previous post was stating my opinion and yeah I kinda lmao reading that in order to sit on the porch with big boys you gotta do button glitches, lol.

Players like this make MLG look bad, because they go around saying you HAVE to use button glitches to be good at MLG, which like I said in previous post, thats complete BS!! You really need to go and research more on what actually gets you good at MLG.... Because its NOT button glitches.

Also ANYONE can Mod, so saying its different because everyone can use button glitches is kinda pointless and proves nothing.

[i AwoN i]

Good point tojan. However TVTiztik is right, KB made the post to give some advice about MLG, not debate button glitches. Good post KB thanks.

As for button glitches, not to feed the fire but rather try and put it out, it's the same deal as with MLG being a sport or not. It's all opinion based, the right people could come up with points and counter-points for each side all day and not get anywhere.


Slightly off-topic for TVTiztik: just curious how long have you been athiest? People get so offended when I argue against the existance of God or an afterlife in a non-offensive manner it's ridiculous. I stopped believing in all man made Gods, theories on afterlifes etc. a while ago. Recently I still don't think they exist but I've been questioning what really exists (reading about the universe, entangled minds theory, collective consicousness theory, higher dimensions....the fact our brain is only programmed to percieve this reality a certain way and things beyond our comprehension may be going on that we don't and may never be able to percieve with our brains). All interesting and thought provoking to me, our reality is incredible and we are constantly attaining a better understanding. It wasn't THAT long ago the earth was believed to be flat or more recently quarks were thought to be non-existant, each of those accepted beliefs being proven wrong by the ever advancing technology. Then again I could be following in my ancestors footsteps, attributing the possibility of metaphysical forces to explain things I don't understand (I only think a higher power or afterlife beyond our comprehension may exist because of how little we know about everything in blue I mentioned above)...ahh sorry to go on like that I love talking and thinking about that stuff and being 18 most of my friends aren't really about any of that hah...

[TVTiZtiK]

Haha, wow so I'm "Good" at MLG because I can do an easy button glitch? Woot thats easy. Lol I really love how you guys think that you HAVE to do button glitches to be good at MLG, thats scary lol.

My previous post was stating my opinion and yeah I kinda lmao reading that in order to sit on the porch with big boys you gotta do button glitches, lol.

Players like this make MLG look bad, because they go around saying you HAVE to use button glitches to be good at MLG, which like I said in previous post, thats complete BS!! You really need to go and research more on what actually gets you good at MLG.... Because its NOT button glitches.

Also ANYONE can Mod, so saying its different because everyone can use button glitches is kinda pointless and proves nothing.

Your still missing the point of what his post is about...

[OcR just iLL]

and to me i really dont care i can BxB like the wind not to great with with the BxR or RRx but im not the kind to go into a custom and straight up and practice it...even though i do have to say that trojan's BxR used to piss me off quite a bit.

but it is in the game so i would just have to say...deal with it because it works both ways.

and Thryx if it gets worse i will close it.

[OcR Dragon]

You will NEVER be good at MLG if youre too retarted or uncoordinated to press three buttons in order.

I dunno, I think it's pretty clear, are you not reading his post...? I would think that clearly states that you'll never be good at MLG if you can't do button glitches, oh well... It's a debate that has been going on since the glitches were found and it will never get resolved, so might as well stop debating about it, we'll just end up going in circles.

And yeah I can see the original post being just made for advice, but it just seemed like people were saying you HAVE to do the glitches in order to be good at MLG.

[OcR FoRk]

Off topic: Miztik, lol at your sig. Z's follower? Ha!


On topic: Stop flaming; everyone. Also, I agree that button glitches enhance the game. However, I could care less if they were in H3 or not.

[Letthe]

Derba Derb...

[I TidalWave I]

That is very true about the nades and the whole sticking thing, but if you want to win the match or what ever you do what you need to do to win. Like BXB, BXR and stuff like that. At least thats what I think but I can't say much since I am not very good.
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[TVTiZtiK]

I dunno, I think it's pretty clear, are you not reading his post...? I would think that clearly states that you'll never be good at MLG if you can't do button glitches, oh well... It's a debate that has been going on since the glitches were found and it will never get resolved, so might as well stop debating about it, we'll just end up going in circles.

And yeah I can see the original post being just made for advice, but it just seemed like people were saying you HAVE to do the glitches in order to be good at MLG.

What hes saying is that you have to master these types of thing(s) to be able to compete at the professional level. If you don't do them then pros will recognize it as your weak point and will use it to there advantage.

He is NOT saying that Button Glitches solely make you good at MLG, hes saying that they are one of the many things that you must master and create a proper balance of to succeed at a higher level of competitive gaming.

[OcR Envy]

I suppose it's my fualt for sending this off topic.

Im just going to lock it, everyone has their own opinions.

Good information from KB, totally up to you if you use it or not.